Thursday 14 December 2017

'I know it's sick' - Graham Dwyer asked about horror pics

NOTES: Accused could not explain in interview why he visited gore websites, jury hears on final day of prosecution's case

Elaine O'Hara

MURDER accused Graham Dwyer told gardai he could not explain why he looked at online images of stabbing, horror and gore, adding: "I know it's sick."

Mr Dwyer also told investigating officers they should talk to "other people" who had been in contact with Elaine O'Hara, the Central Criminal Court heard.

Notes of his fifth and final garda interview were read to the jury on the last day of the prosecution's case in his trial.

The trial has lasted eight weeks and there were 194 witnesses for the prosecution.

No evidence for the defence has been heard yet, and Mr Justice Tony Hunt told the jury members to "put the case completely to one side" until they return next Wednesday.

Mr Dwyer (42), an architect, of Kerrymount Close, Foxrock, is pleading not guilty to the murder of Ms O'Hara (36), a childcare assistant, at Killakee, Rathfarnham, on August 22, 2012.

Her remains were found by a dog walker in undergrowth in the Dublin mountains on September 13, 2013.

The prosecution maintains Mr Dwyer killed her for his own sexual gratification.


Mr Dwyer had been arrested on October 17, 2013 and was detained and interviewed at Blackrock Garda Station all that day into the early hours of October 18. Evidence of four of the interviews were heard previously.

Det Sgt John Colgan of the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation gave evidence of the accused's fifth interview. He told Sean Guerin SC, prosecuting, that it began at 5.47am on October 18.

He put to Mr Dwyer items that were retrieved from his phone, which had been seized.

Mr Dwyer was asked on each occasion if he had accessed the files in question. Some items were from a YouTube application - the first was "Close up stabbing" and the time stamp was May 26, 2013.

"Whatever it says, I go along with that, I don't recall what it is," Mr Dwyer said in the interview.

To "Woman stabbed prison guard" dated April 23, 2013, he stated: "If the machine says that, I would agree with that. It would be related to horror."

Two more files were titled "Stabbing" and "Stabbing 3" and he said: "If the machines say so, you would find that they are extracts from horror movies."

Two others were titled "woman strangled" and "woman strangled yoga", dated May 30, 2013. "I wouldn't dispute it but I have to say I never strangled anybody," Mr Dwyer replied.

Asked about "Woman stab Live Leak", he said: "That sounds like a real murder, I think it was a real murder in Russia."

Of the file title "Woman strangled by friend" dated June 10, 2013, he said: "Again, that would be my movie interest, that would be a specific clip, I think it's all drama except the Live Leak stuff."

Shown a file called "woman stabbed" from June 22, 2013, he said: "The same sort of thing, I would say."

A second document contained an item entitled "submissive", with contact values "submissive hyperlink mail to 391@Gmail.com".

"Can you explain who that is?" he was asked.

"Is it Elaine O'Hara?" Mr Dwyer replied.

"I believe it is," Det Sgt Colgan said.

"I was asked earlier and I couldn't recall but it was Elaine's," Mr Dwyer said.

A third document put to him in the interview had two images of what appeared to be the same female from Lovelydisgrace.com.

One was entitled "17 year old girl immobilised, gagged and then killed on her bed with more than 80 stab wounds all over her body".


"I would have looked at these websites on my laptop, they are gore websites, again concerned with horror," he said.

He was asked why he needed to go on the sites.

"I can't explain, I know it's sick," he said.

He was also asked about four small snapshots that were downloaded from his phone. One was of a female breast with a screwdriver inserted into it.

Mr Dwyer said it was a "horror picture", probably from the same source as the others and he did not take them.

Another picture was of a semi-naked female covered in blood with somebody standing over her.

He was asked if he had anything else to add.

"First, I am not guilty of the offence I am being presented with, and second, from what I have heard today and from what I knew before today, there are other people you should talk to as well as me and that is not being done in my opinion," he said.

He was asked what people.

"Anybody else like me who has been in contact with Elaine O'Hara," he said.

"I don't know the identities of the men, that is all I have to say."

The interview finished at 6.50am and the notes were read over to him.

"I want to record what I said earlier, that it paints a picture of what I look at as a proportion of what I also look at. Please don't present to people that that is all I look at."

Cross-examined by Remy Farrell, Det Sgt Colgan said he could not tell if the items were looked at on a laptop or if the YouTube app on the phone had been syncing with the accused's account.

Earlier, Det Sgt Peter Woods told Mr Farrell that Mr Dwyer's DNA was taken at the station when he was arrested, but he was not aware it was a match for semen found on Ms O'Hara's mattress until 11pm that night.

He told Mr Farrell there was no paperwork as the information was phoned to a member of the investigation team.

Mr Farrell said Det Sgt Woods became aware "weeks after" that a chief superintendent had arranged to "go rummaging" with detective sergeants through Mr Dwyer's bins some weeks before and taken a can of Turtle Wax.

That was compared with the mattress DNA and Det Sgt Woods agreed he was never told.

Mr Farrell said the evidence was not capable of being used and claimed there had been "extraordinary lengths to conceal this (DNA) from Det Sgt Woods".

"I wasn't told," he replied.


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