Victoria Beckham interview: ‘I can relate to women, I get on very well with women'
How did a former Spice Girl, known for tight dresses, killer heels and a talent for pouting, create a credible fashion empire with a £30m turnover ?
Victoria Beckham is a woman who divides opinion, but seems to fascinate everybody.
At her biannual fashion shows, staged in New York, iPhones snap immediately aloft when she emerges to take her bow, generally dressed in a reflection of the clothes she’s just presented.
Maybe that should be refraction – Beckham is 5ft 4in; even jacked up on heels, she’s a good six inches shorter than the models wearing her clothes. But she’s the image you remember.
Which is, perhaps, the problem. The great divide over Victoria Beckham isn’t whether her clothing is much cop, but, oddly, whether she should be permitted to call herself a designer at all. Beckham is open about her lack of a technical fashion education.
If we’re being provocative, so is Dame Vivienne Westwood. And just as Westwood’s work in punk helped to redefine the fashion landscape, so does Beckham’s popstar past.
I haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid. Beckham has elevated the celebrity line beyond a simple, simple-minded marketing exercise, like Gloria Vanderbilt’s signature-stitched 70s jeans.
She’s also avoided the pitfalls of celebrity-cum-fashion designers past, such as Jennifer Lopez’s Sweetface, or the House of Deréon line launched with the support of Beyoncé Knowles. Neither made the transition to high-end. They were seen as cheap, the famous names a ploy to hike up prices.
Today, when celebrities launch spin-off lines, they aspire to be like Beckham – witness the actress Katie Holmes’s now-shuttered label Holmes & Yang. Another point of reference is The Row, established by Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen in 2006.
They won the CFDA’s Womenswear Designer of the Year award in 2012. But the Olsens, for all their stateside status, never quite garnered the global presence enjoyed by Beckham. She is the high priestess of the 21st-century celebrity creative director.
Beckham, with her small, dark head, large eyes and preternaturally slender physique, is instantly recognisable. So too are Karl Lagerfeld with his shock of white hair, dark glasses, and the tattooed physique of Marc Jacobs.
Beckham’s fame dwarfs theirs, though. That is why meeting Beckham to preview her autumn/winter 2015 collection, some 24 hours before its presentation, feels quite so unusual.
And then, there’s Beckham herself. She isn’t wearing heels, but she is wearing make-up, above an oversized grey sweater. The neckline is pulled high, covering part of her chin. It reminds me of the visor on a suit of armour. There’s something protective about it.
It’s also -9C in New York. So maybe it’s just practical.
In person, there is something unexpectedly vulnerable about Victoria Beckham.
Her slightness helps, though it gives her a delicacy in the flesh rather than the painful skinniness tabloid images suggest. She’s also in flats – egads! – which brings her down to earth, literally and figuratively.
She talks quietly, quickly, in guarded phrases couched in her creative-director persona. I keep using that phrase, because Beckham doesn’t design her clothes. But nor do many of the “designers” who head successful international labels.
“I have a different way of expressing myself because I haven’t had that formal training,” she says, honestly. “I’ve learnt a lot, in the last seven years. I’ve learnt a lot very, very quickly. And I continue to learn.”
What Beckham has learnt to do is direct her team towards a goal she determines – she frequently talks in the collective, when discussing the process of constructing her collections. But her opinions seem single-minded, and decidedly hers. “I still put all of the clothes on myself,” Beckham states. “I want to see how they feel. How do I look? Is it comfortable? Is it flattering? Basic things that I started with are still very important to me.”
Beckham launched her line in 2008. It was a success from the beginning, commercially at least, based on 10 dresses tugged taut against the body. They had echoes of Roland Mouret’s sculpted Galaxy dress, and reflected the sort of style Beckham herself invariably sported. “When I first started, I used to wear lots of tight dresses,” Beckham allows. “Lots of heels. And I do still dress like that, but I suppose as time has gone on, I’ve loosened up a little bit.”
Beckham’s relaxation isn’t just physical, but psychological. The retail success her line has always enjoyed has been buoyed with critical acclaim.
In 2011 and 2014, Beckham received British Fashion Awards acknowledging her success. In 2014, she was also named the Business Entrepreneur of the Year by the business magazine Management Today. Why? Not because of her name. Because her business’s turnover had increased by 2,900 per cent over the past five years, to £30m. Staff now number 100.
Last year marked another milestone for Beckham: the opening of her first flagship boutique on London’s Dover Street. It’s invariably thronged with customers – though you’re not sure how many come to buy, and how many to grasp vicariously at that celebrity that Beckham embodies.
“I spend a lot of time in my shop, talking to my customer, finding out what she wants,” Beckham comments.
Who is Beckham’s customer, you wonder? And why do they choose her clothes over similarly priced fashion from more established labels? Victoria Beckham’s clothes are good, but they reflect the fashion of the time, rather than defining it.
Beckham herself acknowledges that: “Times change. Certain things I wore then felt right then,” she says, of her start in the industry. “But it wouldn’t feel right now.”
What feels right now, circa autumn/winter 2015, is a focus on muted colours, fabrics with interesting, mottled textures, and on slightly off proportions, such as the longer skirt, twisted knitted sweater and heavier shoe Beckham herself sported when taking her catwalk bow.
In the 1950s, the master couturier Cristobal Balenciaga used to create a black dress in each collection entirely by his own hand. It was eagerly watched for by fashion press and clients, for that dress was emblematic of the changes wrought each season. With Beckham, it’s what the designer chooses to wear herself that matters.
Is that a criticism? No, just an observation. Brand Beckham is a profoundly personal endeavour. Ultimately, that’s what’s attracting Beckham’s customers to her above other labels.
Despite focusing on narrow product categories of accessories and designer ready-to-wear, her label is perhaps the best-realised lifestyle brand in the world. Because, really, the lifestyle that customers are buying into is her own.
Beckham’s family sits front row at her fashion shows – David side by side, generally, with the American Vogue editor-in-chief, Anna Wintour.
Beckham is interested in women. “Even if I wouldn’t wear something myself, I think I know how women feel, how women want to look,” she says. “I can really relate to women, I get on very well with women… Some women don’t,” she comments wryly, with a slight smile.
“I want to empower women, make women feel the best version of themselves.”
Not everyone loves Victoria Beckham. Her reincarnation as a fashion entrepreneur still invokes indignant ire, from members of the industry, as well as the public.
From the get-go, there have been legions of detractors watching and waiting with bated breath for Beckham to slip up and fall flat.
It’s not going to happen – because Beckham is clever and good at her job. And being the creative director of her self-titled label is Victoria Beckham’s job. It’s the reason she’s wearing flat shoes, and skinny jeans, and is meeting me at 9am the morning before her show on no sleep. There would have been a time when Beckham, like her fashion, would have been dressed up to the nines even at that time.
“As you get older, you get a different kind of confidence,” she says. “I’m busier now – so I couldn’t totter around in a tight dress and a pair of heels! I think I feel a little more relaxed.”
She pauses, reflects. “I suppose if I’m being honest, I would have been scared, right at the beginning, to wear lots of layers and to wear a flat shoe. I would have been scared to do that. Now I’m not.”
As always with Victoria Beckham, when she talks about her brand, you get the feeling she’s talking about herself.