Graham Dwyer Trial: Accused allegedly told Elaine O'Hara 'woman next' after texting her about stabbing a sheep to death, court told
GRAHAM Dwyer allegedly sent a message to Elaine O’Hara saying “woman next, stabbed to death”, after earlier texting her about knifing a sheep, the Central Criminal Court heard. He later texted to say he was “not mad at” her and was “available to help you in any way I can”, mentioning a “painless end to it all.” “Thank you Sir,” She replied. “You are welcome,” he texted back. “I have everything ready if it all becomes too much.” Then, in a later text, he said: “Just think, all your worries gone. I could fit you in Thursday.” She went on to tell him on May 10 that she had left an exam early and was not feeling any better and wanted to “sleep all the time.” “I can put you to sleep,” he replied. “Stop,” she texted. “I know you want it, 30 seconds to slip into oblivion,” he responded. “Please. I have to think and decide. Please stop,” she said.
A man alleged to be the accused sent a message to Ms O’Hara “in which he said: “Want to do a woman next. It was a fantastic feeling, the knife going in and watching blood spurt out. So happy. X”
The jury heard he went on to say: “Lots of people have stabbed and got away with it. Why not me?”
Mr Dwyer (42), an architect of Kerrymount Close, Foxrock, is pleading not guilty to the murder of Ms O’Hara (36), a childcare assistant, at Killakee, Rathfarnham on August 22, 2012.
Her remains were found by a dog walker in undergrowth in the Dublin mountains on September 13, 2013.
The prosecution maintains Mr Dwyer killed her for his own sexual gratification.
This morning, prosecutor Sean Guerin SC continued to read out dozens of the messages between Ms O’Hara’s iPhone 086 3311207 and the number 083 1103474. This was the number of a prepaid phone purchased by a “Goroon Caisholm” which the prosecution claims was being used by Mr Dwyer.
READ MORE: Jury shown videos of Dwyer stabbing Elaine
Elaine O'Hara's iPhone is referred to as 'She' in the exchanges read by prosecutor Sean Guerin SC. The 083 phone the prosecution says was used by Mr Dwyer is referred to as 'He'
On April 28th, when Elaine O'Hara told him she was going into counselling, he texted: “Hope you don’t discuss our stuff,” to which she replied: “God, no, I would be locked up… you never have to worry, Sir, I would never say anything.”
On May 7, she again told him not to visit her because she had been stressed and smoking in her place.
“Sir, I just thought I would let you know, I am quite down. I have been trying to cope with it since Christmas by myself but I have not been successful...Unfortunately, I am not suicidal, I hope to overcome this by not going into hospital.”
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He later texted to say he was “not mad at” her and was “available to help you in any way I can”, mentioning a “painless end to it all.”
“Thank you Sir,” She replied.
“You are welcome,” he texted back. “I have everything ready if it all becomes too much.” Then, in a later text, he said: “Just think, all your worries gone. I could fit you in Thursday.”
She went on to tell him on May 10 that she had left an exam early and was not feeling any better and wanted to “sleep all the time.”
“I can put you to sleep,” he replied.
“Stop,” she texted.
“I know you want it, 30 seconds to slip into oblivion,” he responded.
“Please. I have to think and decide. Please stop,” she said.
On May 11, he texted her about “my kind offer to hang you in your apartment so you will be found and buried properly.”
“I would prefer the other way of course but just something to think about,” he added.
On May 13, he asked if she would “trust him to do it.”
“Yes of course Sir, but right now, I’m not that bad,” she replied.
On May 24, he told her: “I was laying low and leaving phone off in case stabbing was investigated… animals have picked the carcass clean. Yay.”
“How do you know Sir?” she asked.
“I was up flying the other day and had a peek, skeletal and ribcage where knife went in. Rest of sheep moved,” he texted her. “I want to do a woman next. It was a fantastic feeling, the knife going in and watching blood spurt out. So happy. X”
In another text, he said: “Woman next, stabbed to death.”
“Easier said than done, Sir,” she replied.
“I know, we have to work on it,” he texted.
He later told her he had a recurring dream in which she texted him to come to her place as she has a present for him. It was a “naked girl, gagged bound and tied to a chair and you have all my knives laid out.”
She replied: “Not going to happen, Sir.”
“It’s a nice dream, though,” he said.
When she texted about her dream of “serving a master,” he replies: “Life is short, especially for you ha ha.”
She texted him about needing money and he replied: “You can repay me in blood. €50 per stab.”
“Nice try, I’m not giving blood Sir,”she responded.
He went on go text: “I might just snap and stick you anyway against your will.”
“Every time you get near me, that scares me, forget it,” she said.
“You love it,” he replied. “You enjoy me stabbing the s*** out of you. It makes me happy.”
She replied: “I want you to be happy, Sir, but I don’t want you sticking me.”
He told her: “I love your knife scars. Happy memories,” then: “We had better stab someone else them but who?”
He went on to text her: “Just say the word and I will end all your problems.”
“You have got to be joking, Sir, wouldn’t give you the satisfaction.”
When she told him she did not need punishment, he texted back: “You need that big knife stuck deep between you t**s, that is what you need,” adding that nobody but him would “put up with your s**t.”
He told her he would give her money she needed. then: “It’s the least I can do as you will be helping me to kill.”
Ms O’Hara texted that she had been at the funeral of a 36-year-old woman and he replied: “She has no more problems, lucky girl.”
In another text, he said: “Looking forward to getting new bike tomorrow to try to lose weight. Must get fit for the murder.”
In another, he said: “I wish I had you chained at my feet to rape and abuse any time I wished.”
“Even with the s**t I give? I wish that too, Sir,” she responded.
“”The s**t you give me will be beaten or cut out of you,” he responded.
In a later text, he told her: “I am thinking of visiting a prostitute to see how easy it might be to kill her.” Then, 15 minutes later, he said: “What do you think?”
“I don’t know, Sir,” came the reply. “I suppose it would be OK. Don’t want to share you though. Were you in my place at weekend?”
He said he was not there and told her: “Don’t be jealous of me with prostitute, especially if she is going to die. Maybe I could bring one to your place and do it there.”
She asked: “What, kill her?” and he replied: “Yes.”
Later, he texted her: “It’s a tough choice, either you let me stab you or you help me do it to someone else.”
In another text, he said: “Won’t do it unless perfect plan.”
“Don’t know Sir, there’s no such thing as a perfect plan,” Ms O’Hara replied.
“Lots of people have stabbed and got away with it. Why not me?” the user of the other phone replied.
Mr Guerin continued reading a series of text from the morning of May 30, 2011.
“Sore today are we?” he asks.
“Yes Sir, very sore,” Ms O’Hara replies.
“Good, good, you did great. I really enjoyed hanging you,” the texter replied.
“Did you like being chained up, did you like the noose,” he later asks.
“I don’t like the noose, I like being chained Sir. Can I ask you something,” she asks.
“Ask me anything,” he said.
“Can I take down the noose and try different ways of being tied up?” she asks.
She asks if she would still get rope mark son her wrists if she wears gloves, and he agreed to tie her above the elbows.
“You did well yesterday,” he continued.
“I was hoping you’d f**k up so I could stick you... I’m dying to stab someone.”
Ms O’Hara says she doesn’t mind a bit of pain but insists: “I don’t want anymore stabbing”.
“It’s hard to ban stabbing when I love it so much,” he replies, adding if he can’t do it to her soon they’ll have to find someone.
She says that if he does it to her “don’t tell me or make sure I’m so tied down and gagged no one can hear me and I can’t wriggle”.
“Will do,” he replies, adding there’d be “three or four jabs to the belly. Same thin black knife. Not big silver one.”
“I’m not giving you permission though, only if I f**k up,” she texts.
“Let’s concentrate on letting me stab some b***h to death,” he says.
Mr O’Hara tells the man she had a dream.
“To me a scary dream, to you a good one,” she said.
“I dreamt about standing on that stool the way it was, and you walked out of the apartment. I slipped and choked myself. Then it changed. You brought in a girl, removed my blindfold and made me watch you stab her to death.”
“I’d love that,” he replied.
“I guessed it would,” she said, adding how she woke up shaking.
The man on the 083 phone then told Ms O’Hara that he needed her to do several things.
Firstly "encouragement, to stop her getting stabbed", secondly "think of places", thirdly "work on details", the next thing was to "prepare to take part herself" as he "might enjoy holding her down” and watch. while Ms O’Hara’s stabs her. Lastly, "he wants to her look for outdoor locations like parks and grave yards, and inside locations, like a prostitute’s apartment."
That night Ms O’Hara texts: “Sir, would it be possible to have a collar?”.
The following morning he tells her it’s a big thing for “a slave to get collared”, adding that it’s as close as being married.
“Have you u given up on full time master?” he asks.
Ms O’Hara conceded that she doesn’t think that is going to happen and he explains: “If you’re collared you’re exclusive to me.”
“I’d be delighted to collar you as my slave, as long as you accept I’m only part-time and you’re full-time... and you are my slave.”
“That mean you can stab me Sir?,” she asks.
“If appropriate,” he replies.
He later added: “I will be like your husband and u will be like a second wife.”
She asks what will change and if she’ll have to do anything different.
“Not see other men and do as I tell you.” He replies.
They text about getting the collar and tattoo in town
Days later – on June 2 – he tells his “Slave” that he had “good news”.
“Family will be away for last week of June first week of July so I can can stay over and chain you.”
“That's great Sir,” she replies, adding that she can’t text as she’s on a school tour.
He later asked her to send intimate photographs of herself to him and she suggests they “go hunting” when his family are away.
Some hours later he texts: “Assume position.”
The next morning he tells her the “picture is fab” and she asks when he can lock her down.
She later asks for a lend of cash, but he says he can’t and texts they’ll find a rich woman stab and rob.
“I should make stabbing look like robbery,” he texted.
She tells him he is going to drive himself mad thinking about it.
“I’ll be fine when I’ve done it, I keep watching the video where I stuck you,” he replied.
On June 6th she asks for chores, and later texts: “I’m thinking of chains and being tried up, can’t get out of my head Sir.”
“I’m thinking about rape and stabbing,” he texts.
She said it would be great if they have what they want without consequences, and how he was worried about getting caught after the sheep.
“Start looking up home.ie,” he texts her, telling her to look for remote houses in the mountains that need renovation and have a female auctioneer.
On June the 7th he tests how he “found an empty place in Bray” naming a Leslie as the auctioneer.
“Find similar,” he texts.
The trial before Mr Justice Tony Hunt and a jury of seven men and five women continues.